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  • mistermuse 12:02 am on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , bully, , , Don't Explain, , god, , , , pity, , , suffering   


    It does not matter much what a man hates provided he hates something. –Samuel Butler

    Some time ago, after I’d written a number of posts lampooning America’s vainglorious leader, I was asked by a reader why I “hate” Donald Trump. I replied that I didn’t hate him, I pitied him — pitied him for being the kind of human being he is. In hindsight, I should have asked the reader, Does Trump hate those he insults? — i.e. “Pocahontas” Elizabeth Warren, “Little Marco” Rubio, “Lightweight” Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (I suppose the Senator should be grateful Trump didn’t call her heavyweight), etc., etc., etc. My answer (and, I assume, that reader’s) is no — hate is something deeply felt, not a juvenile slur. Trump’s mocking is strictly gratuitous, like a bully who must put down anyone who, in his world, is a “loser” — someone in his way; an inconvenient object to be diminished or pushed aside. It’s not even personal (a “loser” is but an abstraction).

    So, in deference to Samuel Butler, should I apologize for not hating Trump — or anyone, for that matter? Truth be known, the closest I come to hating anyone is God….that is, if I believed in God — the biblical God, the invented God of wrath, innocent suffering and mystifying absence. But I am a ‘default’ deist, left with a creator God, an impersonal God, a God with nothing to explain — at least, not until the next life (if there is one). The creator God never said a word or promised us anything — not on earth or after. Perhaps I should be jealous, for, unlike the creator God, there are times (like now) when this only-human creator feels the need to explain what I create. And yet, I get not deigning to explain — explaining ain’t easy. If I were God or Trump, I might not explain myself either.





    • Lisa R. Palmer 9:22 am on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Yes!! I get this. And I feel this. And I am sincerely moved by the “truth” of it. I have spent much of my adult life attempting to define and explain the “God” of my understanding, and how it works, and here you put the matter so simply and so rationally, it blows my mind. Lol! Thank you for the glimpse behind the curtain, both universally and personally, for this is yet another side of you showing through…

      On another note, hatred seems like such a huge investment to make in someone; it’s very much like love in that regard. Most of these hate-able people, like insecure bullies, are not worth such investment from me. But perhaps my willingness to dismiss them so eagerly is part of the “problem,” in that my experience teaches that the more you ignore the ego-driven, the more they cry out to be acknowledged…

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    • mistermuse 11:13 am on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      I very much appreciate your comment, Lisa. It’s rewarding to have dialogues with fellow ‘searchers’ (as opposed to ‘dialogues’ with ideologues).

      I think your second paragraph is right on the money, especially “the more you ignore the ego-driven, the more they cry out to be acknowledged.” That describes Trump to a T, and is the reason he is more to be pitied than hated. In a certain sense, one can’t help but pity a man who seemingly can’t help being what he is and is incapable of even reflecting on the matter. Multiply him by millions like him, and you see the world through the eyes of an objective visitor from another planet.

      P.S. I’ll return to my space ship shortly and get back to my usual blogging routine of disgustingly humorous posts.

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    • arekhill1 1:55 pm on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      According to conventional theology, Sr. Muse, it’s God’s will that we have Trump, which bolsters one of my theological observations–this God character does some shady shit.

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      • mistermuse 2:44 pm on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        Ricardo, that’s only the will of the religious/biblical God — not of the creator/deistic God, who has left man to his own devices since emerging from the primordial soup (which apparently wasn’t that long ago for some of us, if The Donald and his crackers are any indication).

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    • Carmen 9:37 pm on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Your reply to Ricardo reminds me of the question, “What’s the difference between an invisible god and a non-existent one?” 😉

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      • mistermuse 10:30 pm on February 18, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        No difference whatsoever in this life, Carmen….except that with a non-existent one, there’s absolutely no possibility of a next life, and with an invisible one, who knows? Of course, we can hope for the invisible one and an afterlife, but even if both of those things turn out, one has to wonder (assuming we’ll ‘see’ our invisible maker, ourselves and each other as we really are) how in the hell we’ll be able to live with ourselves, each other, and an oblivious God. 😦

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        • Carmen 6:57 am on February 19, 2018 Permalink

          The only thing we DO know for certainty is we get this life. Thankfully, there are those people who try to brighten someone else’s day by being pleasant, doing whatever they can to make others’ lives better, and filling the airwaves with wonderful music and sharp wit. 🙂

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    • Don Frankel 8:15 am on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Assuming I’m that reader since I asked you that let me explain. It seems a waste of time and energy to get all bent out of shape over something or someone, you will have nothing to do with and can do nothing about. Doesn’t matter who it is, they can’t hear you and they don’t much care. You’re the one who is upset.

      There was this guy in the local Diner and it’s Jan 10, 2017 and he explains to me that President Obama was born in Kenya and isn’t an American citizen. Now the reason I remember the date is because President Obama was not going to be President in 10 days, so what was the guy on the stool’s point? He hates President Obama like really bad. So he spent 8 years of his life hating some guy who didn’t even know he was alive. And, it doesn’t seem to have effected or affected President Obama too much either. Maybe it did something for the guy sitting on that stool but I don’t get it.

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      • mistermuse 8:44 am on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        Don, if I were the only one who is upset, I’d agree with you. But this goes beyond politics. I’m just one of millions who see the unfettered narcissism and uncivil tone (to put it generously) set by Trump inexorably becoming the ‘new normal’ in this country unless enough of us stand up to him. If you think this doesn’t matter, what more is there to say?.

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    • Don Frankel 10:01 am on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Okay I get it and good luck.

      Now you might imagine by living in New York I run into this with some of my very close friends so my new routine is to sing a little ditty from the movie The Producers. The original one and it’s the scene where Dick Shawn comes out on stage as Hitler for the first time and he is sitting at the piano and singing. “I’m gonna crush Poland and then take France. Then I’ll cross the English Channel and kick that guy in the pants.” Only I sing “that gal” because Theresa May is the current Prime Minister. There is no clip of this on youtube so consider it sung and imagine we’re both laughing.


    • mistermuse 11:57 am on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Well, at least with Theresa May, we may laugh. Even Hitler, that personification of evil, begged to be caricatured. But there’s no longer anything remotely funny to be found about Trump….though God knows I’ve tried.

      As local standup comedian Mark Chalifoux put it in Jan. 2017, “There’s too much to focus on. Our attention span rarely allows us to move past his tweets to anything of substance. His presidency….is going to be exhausting. Trump is simply too easy to make fun of, [what with] years of hearing the same jokes about hair, orange skin, small hands and where you can grab women. Anyone with a keyboard will be beating a dead horse until long after it becomes a bag of bones.”

      As I said before, we’ve reached a point where this goes beyond politics. This is about how we treat others and that old-fashioned notion of role model. I hope such values haven’t become associated with ‘losers.’ I think, or at least hope, these things still matter in New York; they still matter where I come from.

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    • The Coastal Crone 9:30 pm on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      I pity our vainglorious leader also. He has thrown the presidency away with both hands.

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    • markscheel1 9:37 pm on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply


      Well, I read an article awhile ago that pointed out the Democrats said similar things of ridicule about Reagan, sonny Bush and now Trump. Also I heard a radio commentator assert recently that Trump is stupid—-“like a fox.” And went on to enumerate ways he’s outplayed the opposition and the media. Remember, if you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you always got. And concede this–Trump is in no way an ordinary politician! And we’re certainly getting something different! Ha.
      Speaking of religion and “God concepts,” have you tried “panentheism”? (Not pantheism.) From that point of view, Trump might actually be divine! The thought! But no, not the Second Coming. Let’s not get carried away. LOL
      I’d never heard Lady sing “Don’t Explain.” Thanks for that treat!


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      • Carmen 9:44 pm on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        The ‘something different’ that your country is getting is in no way funny. 😦

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        • markscheel1 2:21 am on February 20, 2018 Permalink

          Hi Carmen,

          The “laugh” wasn’t meant to refer to what the country is getting, but rather the irony of the whole situation and the differing opinions regarding it. A booming economy, stock market up, red-tape regs cut so business can produce, vital SCOTUS appointment, real tax relief–those are things I’m not “laughing” about.



    • mistermuse 10:59 pm on February 19, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Mark, when it comes to religion, I haven’t “tried” any of them in the sense of shopping around for one. I was born into Catholicism, but after years — decades, really — of growing increasingly unable to believe what the church believed, fell into deism (which is why I called myself a “default deist” in my post). I wasn’t looking for another religion, it was simply that I found that ‘where I was now at’ aligned with what deists like Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and (some say) Thomas Jefferson believed….at least, in meeting-of-the-minds terms (deism isn’t even a religion in the doctrinal sense).

      You referred to Trump, but I’ve had my fill for now, so I’ll pass. As for the Lady Day (Billie Holiday) clip, she was well past her prime in 1958. There are recordings of her singing the song when she was much younger, but I opted for the clip I showed. Why? I defer to the title of this post.

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      • mistermuse 10:13 am on February 20, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        But at what cost, Mark? (re your reply to Carmen.) At what cost?

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        • markscheel1 4:38 pm on February 20, 2018 Permalink

          Well, muse, with the currency I employ, I’d say it’s a bargain. Hmmmmm. Now, figure that one out. 😉



    • mistermuse 12:20 am on February 21, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Mark, I’m guessing that you deferred to the title of this post too.


      • markscheel1 3:39 pm on February 22, 2018 Permalink | Reply


        That would be an appropriate assumption! 🙂 I’ve resolved to do memoir, not politics, as you know. Now, as an aside, Dee and I are back from the hospital. The heart procedure yesterday went well. (Ablation.) Great doctor. Wonderful nurses. Just wanted to let you know–“the beat goes on,” now normally! And I feel nothing but gratitude.


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    • mistermuse 7:14 pm on February 22, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Glad to hear it, Mark. Great doctors aren’t always easy to come by. 🙂

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    • barkinginthedark 4:13 pm on August 22, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Never apologize for hating Donald J. Trump. he is only worthy of hate – and nothing else. continue…

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  • mistermuse 12:01 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , god, , , , Job, Old Testament, ,   

    TWO BAD 

    Well, no one has blasphemed against the one-line poems in my last post, so by all that is holy, I should forget about my threat to up the ante with a post of two-line poems this time around. Ha ha — I’ll forget when Hell freezes over! Although no one commented to complain, I expect the thought crossed the minds of some….and even if it didn’t, the very suspicion demands consequences. Consequently, I am left with no choice but to proceed with the poems I intended to post anyway, and it serves you right!

    My first two-line poem is unWitt(er)ingly brought to you by….


    We measure success
    one imposter at a time.

    *If this title sounds familiar, but you can’t quite ‘picture’ it….there’s always Google! Ha ha ha!


    Sometimes a poem
    is entitled to be obvious.

    ENVIRONMENTALLY CORRECT [previously published]

    Poems don’t grow on trees….
    however, some are recycled.


    Poetry is that
    conversation we could not
    otherwise have had.
    –Cid Corman, Kyoto, Japan

    Sorry I do
    not speak haiku.

    We interrupt this post for another commercial:


    buy Calvin Klein.
    Sell futures.


    Of course God knows everything —
    He’s been around forever.


    You don’t want to know
    (so, on with the show).


    The power of suggestion
    is that it begs the question.

    Is this a great job, or what? But apparently not everyone shares my view:


    Take this Job
    and shove it.


    Wake me when it’s over
    (re Joyce).

    We conclude with….





    • arekhill1 10:53 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      So you’re doing exactly what you wanted to do and it’s my fault, Sr. Muse? Don’t think you’re the first person who’s ever said that to me.

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      • mistermuse 11:41 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I would never think such a thing, Ricardo; nonetheless, I am considering making you pay the price of your protest by filling my next post with THREE-line poems.


    • Cynthia Jobin 11:12 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Two true to be good….

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      • mistermuse 11:35 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Then it must be bad, which is the new good (well, maybe not new anymore, but new enough to serve my purpose here, you bad girl). 🙂

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        • Cynthia Jobin 11:55 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink

          The young texters have adopted the numeral “2” as an all purpose savior from having to tremble between “to,” and “two,” and “too” for grammatical correctness. Why didn’t we think of that?

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    • eths 11:42 pm on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I like these a lot, especially Cid Corman’s.

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      • mistermuse 7:54 am on October 16, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Like-wise. In fact, I liked it so much that, as I recall, it instantly inspired the two-liner which follows it (sometimes a poem rings so true, it almost ‘demands’ a response — which we can’t always articulate in a way that does justice to the poem, but when it does….).


    • Don Frankel 11:35 am on October 16, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Not sure which is my favorite Muse, Take this Job or Wake me when its over by Joyce. No wait there’s God know’s he’s been around forever. Classic Muse, classic.


    • mistermuse 11:24 pm on October 16, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks, Don. Speaking of the latter, I’m getting so old that sometimes I feel like I’VE been around forever.


    • RMW 12:30 pm on October 17, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Always enjoyed Johnny Paycheck’s song… his number one hit… that was pretty much my mantra during all my many corporate jobs… thank goodness I don’t have to sing it anymore!

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      • mistermuse 8:38 pm on October 17, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I’m sure that song’s title expresses what many ‘wage slaves’ wish they could say to their employer….and then feel (to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr.) free at last, free at last, thank God, I’m free at last!

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    • Cynthia Jobin 1:35 pm on October 17, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Just stopping by to wish you a very happy upcoming natal anniversary celebration, mistermuse, rich with love and contentment. Oh..and cake! Happy Birthday!

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  • mistermuse 12:00 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , god, , , , ,   


    I think, therefore I am. –René Descartes

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    You will (hopefully) recall that my last post, STONE COLD DEAD, featured some of my favorite epitaphs published 4 years ago on SWI (a blog due to bite the dust in November). Ah, but the best laid plans….  The SWI editor announced on 9/1 that he would now need to pull the plug first thing on Sept. 6; thus today becomes SWI’s last full day on this earth.

    This sudden passing prompts me to salvage another of my previously published posts from that body of work: a poem which poses a question I believe naturally arises out of STONE COLD DEAD. Unlike that post, it ain’t funny, but perhaps the poem’s saving grace is that what it lacks in humor, it makes up in brevity. It’s the least I can do on Labor Day.


    Are the faithful
    dead better positioned
    to be saved
    than those who
    lived with doubt?
    Even a God
    can’t help being
    what He thinks.



    • painkills2 12:13 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Saved from what? After you’re dead, no one can save you. But if this is about hell, then I don’t want to be saved — that’s where all the fun people go. 🙂

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    • mistermuse 6:44 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Think of this poem as if it were written by an agnostic. Then the question becomes: If there is a God and an afterlife, is He any more morally fit to judge you than you are to judge Him? If there is no afterlife, it’s irrelevant whether or not there is a God, because we will never know either way.

      I might add that the God(s) of religions and myth only muddy the waters of how to think about this whole business of a possible Creator. The word “God” itself seems to me to be an impediment to rational thinking about life and all that it may imply.

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      • painkills2 1:09 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I suppose those who believe in a god also believe that this god is always right and shouldn’t be questioned. As for anyone — supernatural or not — who thinks they have the right to judge me, well, they’re wrong. 🙂

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    • scifihammy 7:12 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Nice one 🙂

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    • mistermuse 9:26 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      They say it takes one to know one, so you’re a “nice one” too. 🙂


    • Cynthia Jobin 9:41 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      “God is dead.” —Nietzsche, 1883

      “Nietzsche is dead.” —God, 1900

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    • mistermuse 9:51 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      “We’re all dead.” –Kismet, sooner or later 😦

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    • arekhill1 11:42 am on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Yes, death is the ultimate way of fitting in.

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    • mistermuse 1:32 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I’d call it forced integration God’s way….except for Christians, who make Book on to a different afterlife divide: heaven or hell.


    • Don Frankel 5:02 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      All things come to an end but nothing really dies on the internet. It just spins somewhere throughout the universe. And, since we’re doing some oldies I can’t help but recall once again my favorite Epitaph on a Tombstone in Tombstone.

      Here Lies Lester Moore
      4 slugs from a .44
      No Les
      No More

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    • carmen 6:18 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I can never think about this topic (death) without this song running through my mind. I heard it for the first time when I was a teenager and it has stuck in my head ever since. Like this post, it’s remarkable for its brevity.

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      • mistermuse 8:14 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for the song clip. When it comes to war and brevity, it took William Tecumseh Sherman only three words to tell it like it is: “War is hell.”


    • BroadBlogs 7:28 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know why God would punish our authenticity. Job is an interesting book to read on this topic.

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    • mistermuse 9:01 pm on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Well, this subject would take an entire post to address in depth, including (for starters) whether or not one accepts the story of Job as having a basis in reality. For atheists and agnostics, it’s a non-starter to begin with, because if you disbelieve or doubt that God exists, Job is meaningless. Personally, as a deist who believes in a Creator but not the so-called “revealed God” of most religions, it is not my job to take Job seriously (pun intended).


      • Carmen 5:18 am on September 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Besides which, if you do read about poor old Job – and take the ‘lesson’ seriously-, you end up wondering why anyone would think Yahweh had any redeeming qualities.

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    • Superduque777 7:49 am on September 8, 2016 Permalink | Reply


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    • mistermuse 10:09 am on September 8, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      You would never guess from that photo what the girl is actually saying to the pope: “Ubi possum potiri petasi similis isti?” (“Where can I get a hat like that?”)

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    • carmen 10:12 am on September 8, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      . . .and he’s probably saying, “Go now and spin no more”. . 🙂

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    • mistermuse 10:39 am on September 8, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt Jim Beam had something to say about it too, but it looks like the pope is keeping it close to his vest-ments.

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  • mistermuse 6:50 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , blasphemy, Chosen People, Christianity, , god, Good Friday, peace, , , ,   


    I was going to title this awkward post GOOD FRIDAY FARE, but thought better of it (a little too light to fill the bill). Or I could have titled it REALLY?. Really? I may be an ex-Catholic, but I still respect the meaning of Good Friday for the hundreds of millions who take the premise of this day at faith value. My breach of faith is not with the faithful, but with the premise of their faith — as explained in the poem which follows this paragraph of Christian apologia:

    What’s So Good about Good Friday? asks Episcopal priest Justin Holcomb in a recent article. The origin of the term, he says, is debatable, but “Regardless of the origin, the name Good Friday is entirely appropriate because the suffering and death of Jesus, as terrible as it was, marked the dramatic culmination of God’s plan to save his people from their sins….all in accordance with what God had promised all along in the Scriptures.” We can all agree, can we not, with the gross understatement that people have been sinning since time immemorial? But….


    One of the earliest questions which presented itself to my youthful mind was that of election: Why had God chosen the Jewish people as the sole recipients of  His divine revelation and of the messianic promise? By what creative caprice had he excluded all others? –Morris West, Catholic novelist & playwright (1916-99)

    After the Lord God said Let there be light, there was no one
    to share the scene. God looked down and beheld a creation
    too wondrous to keep to Himself. Flesh forward.
    Adam, meet Eve.
    But, inevitably, Adam and Eve stray.
    They have a bad day.
    ‘Twas the serpent, they say.

    Boys and girls, welcome to hard times
    where life becomes a chance bet
    begetters scatter and beget
    until they forget
    without regret
    where they came from and divine not
    what they’re about

    until at last there emerges a Chosen People on
    whom it never dawns that revelation comes with
    implications: were untold others not equally in need
    of deliverance from their benighted nature? If
    what you don’t know can’t hurt you, why now the
    Voice in the wilderness….and if it can hurt you,
    how was silence justified? You see we still live
    in the shadows of tribal primitives, still die in
    the wake of unasked questions….save for He who
    would die to save us from our sins, without asking
    if the creator was in need of saving from His own?

    Did my poem blaspheme, or did it pose a serious question (or did it blaspheme in posing a serious question)? Does your answer depend on whether you believe in an ALL-PERFECT, ALL-LOVING GOD, a MIGHT-MAKES-RIGHT GOD, or NO GOD at all? How far would you go to try to convince or force (as if belief can be forced) others to believe as you do? Isn’t it sad enough when members of one family can’t agree to disagree, much less the human family writ large? How much longer would you and your god have the world pay the price of religion’s aggressive side?

    Peace, however awkward, be with you on this Good Friday.




    • carmen 7:13 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Of course, the answer to your question, “Did my poem blaspheme, or did it pose a serious question (or did it blaspheme in posing a serious question)?” would be a resounding “YES!” to many people . . . those who believe in the myth will be insulted that you would even ask such a thing.
      But for me (having decided a few years ago that the whole thing is nothing more than a comforting ‘tale’ to many) it is a very insightful suggestion to all who read – please do consider the negativity associated with people’s religious beliefs.

      Let’s hope we all don’t get sucked into the great fight over whose invisible (and – I think – imaginary) god is the mightiest. 😦

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      • Michaeline 8:07 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Carmen makes a good point in saying our God may be is an invisible God. The ancient Jews rolled up their tents and gathered their other things, put it all on donkeys and headed out for the next oasis. No temples and no statues for them. Just 10 rules to live by and that was it in the beginning. God the Creator is more to my liking as he will not interfere in my life decisions. If I do wrong, there is Yom Kipper to make it right once a year. I live with the knowledge that I have a creative, intelligent mind and I let common sense be my guide .I was a serious Catholic like mistermuse and it was a fairly good experience until my ex divorced me.

        I did not know how vicious gossip among the church going ladies could make my Mother feel so bad. Then I researched many religions and found I liked Reform Judaism the best. It is a fact many millions of people fought and died in religious wars..Maybe that is why my husband and his three brothers are all atheists after being raised as Conservative Jews.

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      • mistermuse 10:26 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for your thoughts, Carmen. It seems we both have no problem with religious beliefs per se – but when believing is held to be the same as knowing, each differing belief becomes an absolute, and when absolutes are pitted against each other – well, human nature being what it is, bad things happen, and agreeing to disagree is out of the question (because questioning is anathema to absolutes).


    • Michaeline 8:18 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I like being a Reform Judaic Jewess. Became one after my studies with the rabbi. No one has all the answers about whether there is a God or not. My husband and his brothers were brought up as sons of a Conservative Jew. Once they grew up, attended college and worked diligently for a living, they became atheists. I like a religion where I can exercise my creative intelligence. I do not think mistermuse is guilty of blasphemy. He is sharing his thoughts and a very well written poem with us, Thank you, mistermuse

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      • mistermuse 10:32 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for your thoughts as well, Michaeline. What I said about respecting the Catholic faithful goes for the Jewish falthful as well, despite my profound differences with their faiths.


    • Don Frankel 8:35 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Following up on what I was saying about screaming or praying, add writing.

      People are constantly manipulating people. For the greater good, of course. They use religion, politics, pills, potions and whatever they have because of course they are orchestrating the greater good. What is the greater good? That depends on each manipulator’s perception of it.

      As to what is truth? Your guess is as good as mine and anybody else’s. The brain like all the other organs in the body has it’s limitations. It can only do what it does. I don’t think its omniscient although some people think their’s is.

      Like I mentioned to you in the past I was brought up in an atheist household. My wife was a Catholic and because of that I read the Gospels and more than once. If you listen to the things Jesus says, actually says and not the centuries of other people’s interpretations of them, you can’t really go wrong in this life. Which is kind of amazing if you stop to think about it as it’s been a little shy of two thousand years.

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      • carmen 8:42 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I agree to that last bit, Don (and who knows whether Jesus was divine or an apocalyptic preacher of his time?). Unfortunately, the imposter Paul got hold of the ‘gospel’.


    • Cynthia Jobin 10:33 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      When you know, you do not have to believe. Because you know. You believe things that you do not actually know….you believe the authority, the expert, your own wish for how you want the world to be. In Belief are the seeds of violence. You find yourself needing to defend your belief against the unbelief of others. Other beliefs are an affront to the validity of your belief. You want others to lend greater credence to your belief by believing it along with you. Others may not want to share your belief, they may feel imposed- upon by your belief….this is the rising of conflict. Actuality is all that we know….the rest is silence. And belief.

      I remember–having been raised a Catholic—how we used to keep silent between noon and 3 o’clock on Good Friday. I don’t practice that religion anymore, but I put no label on myself in terms of belief or disbelief. As I accept the impossibility of absolute abstract answers, the same old questions seem to grow dimmer and dimmer and fade into the silence.

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      • mistermuse 11:05 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Well put, as always, Cynthia. The problem seems to be that, for too many people, there is no difference between believing and knowing….which, ironically, I believe qualifies as ignorance.

        It’s interesting to me that, as I get to know more of my readers better, I’m finding that more of them were once practicing Catholics. I guess, depending on the eye of the beholder, that makes us serious thinkers, or heretics, or feckless, or confused, or lost souls (whatever connotation the beholder puts on “lost soul”). I prefer to think that we’re multi-dimensional. 🙂

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    • mistermuse 10:38 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Perceptive words, Don. I would only add, “Amen.”


    • arekhill1 11:15 am on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Anything that ever happened to anybody else can happen to you. That’s the only thing that’s certain here, God, Jesus and Jews notwithstanding. Have a Good Friday every Friday is my motto, and my wishes for you, Sr. Muse and friends.

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    • mistermuse 1:35 pm on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Since I retired from gainful employment, Friday is just like every other day — the same with Good Friday since I retired from Catholicism. So I thank you and wish you a good everyday today and every day, Ricardo.


    • arekhill1 1:37 pm on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Saw on SWI that your sister passed, Sr. Muse. My sympathies.


    • carmen 3:09 pm on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Oh, Mister Muse – I am sorry to hear of her passing. 😦


    • mistermuse 7:41 pm on March 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you both. She was 7+ years younger than I, and my only sibling. In this life, it seems that, sooner or later, time makes visitors of us all.


    • restlessjo 1:27 am on April 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      It’s good to think and question. I don’t do enough of either, being more of a head in the sand lady, but you raise some good points. 🙂 Hope Easter was peaceful for you.

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    • mistermuse 8:55 am on April 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you. Perhaps it is just as well not to think and question too much, as we can tie ourselves into knots trying to find answers which are beyond our capacity to find. On the other hand, a guy or gal has to go where a guy or gal has to go, even if we end up back where we started! 🙂


  • mistermuse 4:48 pm on July 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , , , god, , On the Origin of Species,   


    I was very unwilling to give up my belief…. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. —Charles Darwin

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    I have on occasion speculated that if I weren’t a deist, I would without doubt (or more accurately, with doubt) be an agnostic. For me, atheism is a non-starter; I cannot rule out possibilities beyond the point where mere mortals have the capability to ascertain. For me, the difference between an atheist and an agnostic is humility: we’re limited humans. Even if you and I don’t believe in the ‘revealed’ God, why fall into the trap of conflating man’s invented God (religion) with the fact of creation and thus the plausibility of a creator, divorced and absent though He (It) may be from what He (It) hath wrought?

    These thoughts were in the back (but not too far back) of my mind as I was reading CHARLES DARWIN – A SCIENTIFIC BIOGRAPHY by the late Sir Gavin de Beer, a British scientist and author of many books on zoology, embryology, genetics, etc. I’d come upon this old book while library-browsing, and realized that, while we all know what Darwin was famous for, do we really know Charles Darwin, the man? What was he like, and what did he believe at various points in his life as his thinking evolved (pun intended)?

    Perhaps the most important thing to keep in mind in getting to know Darwin is that he was “The man who struggled with his own ideas” (BBC website), keeping silent for 20 years before going public with his painstaking research, and describing his writing On the Origin of Species as “like confessing a murder.” Its publication in 1859 represents “one man’s struggle with the most radical idea of all time — the idea that humans shared a common ancestor with apes.”

    Darwin was born of Christian parents in 1809 at Shrewsbury, England, the son of a successful physician and a mother who died when Charles was eight years old, after which (quoting de Beer) “his home upbringing devolved largely on his elder sisters to whom, in spite of their persistent fault-finding, he was ever grateful for instilling in him the spirit of humanity.” Additionally, his grandfathers were important Enlightenment figures: Josiah Wedgewood, anti-slavery campaigner, and Erasmus Darwin, a doctor who ‘wrote the book’ (ZOONOMIA) on the radical idea that one species could transmute into another.

    Darwin’s father wished him to become a doctor, but after realizing that his son had an aversion to practicing medicine, he (quoting de Beer) “proposed that he [Charles] take holy orders in the Church of England. Indeed, at this time in his life, he felt so convinced of the truth of his religion” that he accepted. But after three years of studies at Christ’s College, he considered the time “wasted. His greatest pleasure was collecting beetles for the sheer joy of collecting.” After meeting men of distinction in botany and other fields, he studied geology and read books “from which he derived a zeal to travel and study natural history.”

    A set of fortuitous happenings led to a position as a neophyte naturalist on the HMS Beagle, which set sail from England in Dec. 1831, not to return until October 1836….five years of meticulous observations, collecting specimens and exhaustive exploration too lengthy to detail here, but which began a new chapter in the history of science.

    Years later, “The result of his experiences was that (says de Beer quoting Darwin) My theology is a simple muddle; I cannot look at the universe as the result of blind chance, yet I can see no evidence of beneficent design, or indeed of design of any kind, in the details….the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wonderful universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know from whence it came. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world. The safest conclusion seems to me that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man’s intellect.”

    “Darwin never felt any but the most friendly and charitable feelings for those who differed from him in matters of religion, provided that they were honest. This is amply confirmed from both sides. Rev. J. Brodie Innis wrote to Darwin, We often differed, but you are one of those rare mortals from whom one can differ and yet feel no shade of animosity, and that is a thing of which I should feel very proud if anyone could say it of me. Darwin’s description of their relations was equally generous: Innis and I have been fast friends for thirty years, and we never thoroughly agreed on any subject but once, and then we stared hard at each other, and thought one of us must be very ill.”

    And now I feel I know Charles Darwin, the man.

    P.S. My thanks to Richard Cahill, whose July 23rd post “God, Man and Donald Trump” inadvertently suggested my title for this post after I thought better of my original (or more accurately, less original) title.



    • DoesItEvenMatterWhoIAm? 5:02 pm on July 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Very cool! I like this post as both an Anthropologist and an Agnostic! Very well written! ♡ Melanie

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      • Mél@nie 10:06 am on July 27, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        excellent, indeed, so same here, Melanie… 🙂 btw, I’m Mélanie from Toulouse, France… 🙂

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        • DoesItEvenMatterWhoIAm? 10:07 am on July 27, 2015 Permalink

          Hi! How fun to say hello around the world to another Melanie!!!!


        • DoesItEvenMatterWhoIAm? 10:08 am on July 27, 2015 Permalink

          Oh by the way I am in Salem, Oregon, USA


    • mistermuse 6:24 pm on July 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks! You are the (even better) female equivalent of a gentleman and a scholar 🙂

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    • BroadBlogs 6:26 pm on July 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I’m basically an agnostic but choose to err on the side of belief in a higher power simply because I feel more empowered when I do, And the world seems more magical.

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      • mistermuse 7:40 pm on July 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        I’m not so sure that we fall on different sides of the deist/agnostic comparison – your belief in “a higher power” sounds similar to me being an agnostic if I weren’t a deist. Perhaps it somewhat depends on one’s definition of deist. As I understand it, no deist believes in a revealed God, but some may believe in the efficacy of prayer and/or even an afterlife. Personally, I believe prayers are useless and a possible afterlife is “beyond the scope of man’s intellect” (to quote Darwin).


    • Don Frankel 4:54 am on July 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Who else can I have these conversations with? We’ve been on this subject on and off for the last few years. I’ve realized something about you and Richard and other people I know, their religious upbringing seems to almost have been traumatic. In that, someone or someones tried to brow beat all of you into believing. I was brow beaten into non-believing. Makes me wonder why people get so excited about it all. Or should I use the term stimulated? Mental illness ran rampant in my family.

      What most people don’t want to realize is we just can’t know. We are stuck with these pathetic little things we call minds. We can’t see or hear things that are happening around us all the time. We can perceive just so much and understand it seems, less.

      Darwin is a prime example of how we are at our best when asking questions and at our worst when we assume we know all about something, we can’t possibly know.


    • mistermuse 6:53 am on July 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Don, your upbringing strikes me as a prime example of that old saying to the effect that what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. Perhaps I am another example, though under different circumstances (my parents divorced when I was 12 and from that point I grew up without a father; looking back, I see that as the beginning of a traumatic period, though I didn’t understand it at the time). Anyway, I’m glad to have gotten to ‘know’ Darwin, because I didn’t realize the anguish he went through in evolving into the man he became – a man I can thoroughly empathize with and relate to.


    • arekhill1 10:33 am on July 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      While I appreciate anybody paying attention to me, if there is an afterlife, Darwin must be fuming in it for being mentioned in the same breath as Trump, Sr. Muse.


    • mistermuse 12:21 pm on July 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt that’s true, Ricardo….plus, the fact that The Donald represents a major step backward on the evolutionary ladder would seem to raise questions about The Theory. Darwin can’t be too happy about that, either.

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    • scifihammy 11:35 pm on July 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I never saw this post in my Reader – some posts have been appearing lower down among ones I have already read.
      I’m glad I came to have a look at your Blog and find this very interesting essay on Darwin. I think it is hard nowadays to imagine just how difficult it was for Darwin to accept his own theory and present it to a narrow-minded world. I got his Origin of the Species out of the library once. It is a massive work, both literally and figuratively.

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    • mistermuse 6:32 am on July 26, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      That’s an excellent point about Darwin….and it seems that “narrow-minded world” will ever be with us. In the past 100 years, we’ve seen everything from the Scopes Monkey Trial to the present violence and barbarity of religious fundamentalism. Not much evolution in that world.


    • M. Talmage Moorehead 10:49 pm on August 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      “For me, the difference between an atheist and an agnostic is humility…”

      That’s brilliant! I love it. Thank you.


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    • mistermuse 5:58 am on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I “humbly” (working on the more realistic “semi-humbly,” but evolution is a slow process) accept your judgment. Thanks for reading and commenting.


  • mistermuse 12:01 am on July 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , god, , life after death   



    If you were God, would you
    really want the cantankerous,
    know-it-all ex-dwellers of
    planet Earth continuing to bedevil
    each other ad infinitum as your
    unable-to-get-along celestial guests
    (assuming, of course, that you
    have no doubt that You exist)?



    • Michaeline Montezinos 1:14 am on July 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thoughtful and clever post, mistermuse

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    • arekhill1 6:48 am on July 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Heaven is a gated community, Sr. Muse, where the gates are of the pearly variety. Consequently, you live eternally only with others in your socioeconomic strata. It would hardly be Heaven otherwise. Go to Purgatory if you want to mingle.


    • mistermuse 10:51 am on July 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      As an ex-Catholic, Purgatory is no longer an option. I would check to see if any other religions believe in Purgatory, but since I’m neither a mingler nor looking for a substitute religion, I think I’ll save myself the trouble.

      Anyway, I’m glad you don’t have to worry, Ricardo. I understand you already live in a gated community, so you’re all set.

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    • Don Frankel 6:08 am on July 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I am that I am, if I am or is it I am what I am. Oh wait is that Popeye?

      Or maybe it is what you think it is. Or is it, it is what it is? I thought that last quote was Brian McNamee but it seems John Locke said it back in 1836 first. But then I always thought Arhnuld originated. “I’ll be back.” But I just caught John Wayne saying the other night in Fort Apache. Who can we trust or is it Whom?


    • mistermuse 6:57 am on July 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Don, it’s been a while, but now that you mention it, I do seem to recall John Wayne saying “I’ll be back” in Fort Apache. And would you believe I remember John Locke back in 1836 saying whatever he said?

      Who said you get forgetful in your old age! OK, I don’t remember. Nobody’s perfect.


    • Mél@nie 9:26 am on July 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      with due respect, Sir, I do not believe in life after death, eventually in paradise… here’s a quote translated mot-à-mot:’Everything we do while sighing is stained by nothingness… All our thoughts keep on searching the key of a paradise whose gate is already open.'(The ruins of the sky – Christian Bobin)

      • * *

      one more I used as a motto in one of my blogposts:“Your daily life is your temple and your religion…”(Khalil Gibran)

      • * *

      jamais 2 sans 3… I totally agree with Louis Aragon:”Il est grand temps d’instaurer la religion de l’amour!” – “it’s time to establish the religion of LOVE!” – amen! 🙂

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    • mistermuse 10:23 am on July 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Mel@nie, I can see how you might assume from my poem that I believe in life after death, but it would be just that: an assumption. In fact, I neither believe nor disbelieve in life after death. There may be exceptions, but generally speaking, what’s the point in believing OR disbelieving something that is humanly impossible to know? Actually, a number of my humorous poems (such as this one) attempt to show the absurdity of such a belief by taking it to one of its logical conclusions. I think humor works best when it not only amuses, but (hopefully) makes people think.

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      • Mél@nie 5:55 am on July 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        lu & approuvé = read and approved… 🙂 exactement et absolument d’accord avec vous, Monsieur Muse… et voilà! 🙂

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  • mistermuse 9:42 am on April 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Annie Dillard, , , , god, , , Peter O'Toole, ,   




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    Although not an atheist myself, I believe they exist, and I’m not above quoting them….and what better day to do so than April Fool’s Day, a day of dubious origin and God-awful jokes? So, without further a-Dieu, I bring you the word(s) of Godless mortals:

    I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world. -Georges Duhamel

    When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion. -Robert M. Pirsig

    I once wanted to become an atheist but I gave up — they have no holidays. -Henny Youngman

    If absolute power corrupts absolutely, where does that leave God? -George Deacon

    Eskimo: If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?
    Missionary: No, not if you didn’t know.
    Eskimo: Then why did you tell me?
    -Annie Dillard

    I admire anyone who’s genuinely trying to achieve spiritual enlightenment and live a peaceful life. But religious dogma is a barrier to that. The last thing a dogmatist wants is for anyone to be enlightened, any more than a pharmaceutical company wants anyone cured. -Pat Condell

    When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized I was talking to myself. –Peter O’Toole

    Christianity, as many religions, was just dreamed up by a couple people with really good imaginations, a lot of time on their hands, and even some “herbal” help. I mean, who would dream up half of that crap without being totally baked? -Jillian A. Spencer

    Puritanism, n. The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. -Ambrose Bierce

    There ain’t no answer. There ain’t going to be any answer. There never has been an answer. That’s the answer. -Gertrude Stein (when asked about God)

    Oh, well. We’ll always have Paris.




    • arekhill1 9:54 am on April 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I’ve proposed Darwin Day as an atheist holiday for many years now, Sr. Muse, but so far a groundswell of popular support for the idea has failed to materialize. Coincidentally, my meditation tomorrow will be on the power of prayer.


    • mistermuse 10:24 am on April 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Although Darwin was at one time a deist and later an agnostic, there seems to be some dispute as to whether he died an atheist. So why not make Darwin Day a holiday for believers in any of that holy trinity? I’m up for it.


    • Michaeline Montezinos 1:15 am on April 2, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      To correct an earlier commentary, I do believe in a God who is a Creator. And I think that Christianity, among many other pagan and non pagan (how do we tell the difference?) religions was built upon the major earthly and atronomical events. Like the Vernal Equinox which heralds the arrival of Spring. Thus we have Easter and Passover. Both are a celebration of overcoming the fear of mortal death.

      The idea of a Darwin Day makes more sense to me than Christmas, Mid Summer’s Eve and Easter combined. I vote we incorporate it into the calendar.


    • mistermuse 7:03 am on April 2, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I “tried” Christianity once upon a time, but (to paraphrase my little poem at the top of the post), “Never again.” To quote the late journalist Herb Caen, “Born again Christians are an even bigger pain the second time around.”


    • Don Frankel 9:27 am on April 2, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      “I remember it well. The Germans wore gray. You wore blue.”


    • mistermuse 9:55 am on April 2, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Don, thanks for remembering it well. Actually two movies brought my post’s closing line (We’ll always have Paris”) to my mind: not only CASABLANCA, but also MIDNIGHT IN PARIS, the Woody Allen film in which one of the characters in 1920s Paris is Gertrude Stein (who lived most of her life in Paris and provided the last of the post’s ten quotes).


    • BroadBlogs 1:27 pm on April 3, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Some great quotes. My philosophy is to do what works for you. If you feel you’re happier and healthier not believing, do that. If you are feel you’re happier and healthier believing, do that.

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    • mistermuse 2:03 pm on April 3, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Sounds like a good philosophy to me, though for some, I think it’s more a matter of coming to a rational conclusion rather than what makes them feel happier and healthier. In other words, they have no choice but to accept wherever the search for “truth” has led them.


    • Mélanie 1:53 am on April 4, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I do NOT believe in atheists, but in… myself! I do respect all believers as long as they respect me… 🙂

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    • mistermuse 5:25 am on April 4, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      As a deist,
      the leist
      I can do
      is respect you.


  • mistermuse 10:13 am on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , eternity, god, , , the afterlife   


    I hadn’t intended to write a follow-up — much less a serious one — to ABOUT THE BEGINNING (my last post), but after thought-provoking comments by Don Frankel and Michaeline, I had to face the soul-searching question, “Am I a muse or a mouse?” The answer is a squeaker, but I decided to face the muse-ic and go where mice-men fear to tread. So let’s go back to, oh, About The Beginning.

    That title, of course, referred to the coming into existence of the universe. In that post, the words after WHAT ATHEISTS BELIEVE proclaimed the nonexistence of a creator, i.e. the “Nothing” that “makes sense”….as opposed to the revealed creator, the biblical God of believers. For me, neither scenario passes the smell test. Here’s why:

    It is said that man cannot live without his illusions. Perhaps that is not entirely a bad thing….if the alternative is unbearable. If you don’t know what you don’t know, perhaps illusion is the saving compensation. That, to me, largely explains  the “revealed” God of religion. But if that need for “faith in a power stronger than ourselves” (to quote Michaeline) is as subject to perversion as any other human want, is it not also a force for good? In any case, that’s a proposition that is beside the question here; a fairy tale is still a fairy tale no matter how benevolent. The greatest saint in history has either gone on to eternal life or not, irrespective of his or her faith. We cannot believe our way into what may not exist.

    The atheist’s position is a different kind of challenge….not in an adversarial sense, because this isn’t a debating contest, but a reality search, no matter where the search leads….even if the reality turns out to be beyond human reach. Certitude, in such a case, is for dogmatists….which atheists are not above, in my view. Barring absolute proof, how is certainty that there is no god any less dogmatic than certainty that there is?

    Don refers to “idea[s] in Physics” (such as the search for a theoretical “God particle,” which is beyond my pay grade and perhaps beyond finding). A less pie-in-the-sky idea in Physics is the Big Bang Theory, which (to my unscientific mind) is entirely plausible, but which addresses only the means (how the universe was created), not what was behind the means….or behind the scenes, for the more theatrical-minded among you.

    As a creative writer, I can’t get my head around creation without a creator. This post didn’t write itself, and I can’t see a universe creating itself, no matter how miniscule the brain behind these words or the particle that exploded into a universe. But then there’s always the question, who created the creator? Whence cometh God? Ah. That calls for another theory. Here’s mine (it’s probably not original, but what do you want for nothing, as an atheist might say):

    There is no such thing as time outside of creation. The creator has always existed. But that doesn’t necessarily mean human beings have souls which will pass into that timeless realm after death. Then why did the creator bother? What’s the point? As the late vocalist Peggy Lee asked, Is that all there is? We may never know.

    Presumably, a creator who created and sanctions such misery and suffering as is our lot on earth would be the same “person” our souls would be at the whim of in an afterlife. Of course, many of us are fortunate enough in this life to experience more than enough love and empathy to offset the madness. Based on this mixed bag of a creation, can it’s creator be other than a mixed bag?

    I guess we’ll find out soon enough….or not.



    • arekhill1 11:46 am on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Sr. Muse, you fail to mention the Big Toot Theory of the Beginning, which was that our universe was blown out of the rear of some hyperdimensional bovine in another, better universe. I’m grateful for that, because it gives me a chance to mention it.

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    • mistermuse 12:16 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      That’s one of the things I like about you, Ricardo – you don’t give a toot, even though the universe may have. Not to toot my own horn, but I’ve become quite a big tooter in my old age.

      P.S. Unlike the other two positions in the second paragraph of my post, the Big Toot Theory definitely passes the smell test.

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    • ladysighs 1:01 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I won’t say many but know there are more than a dozen nonbelievers that don’t give a toot what others believe. So what’s the big fuss? The fuss comes when ideas are pushed on us and our lives are controlled by these ideas. 😦
      (nothing new)

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    • mistermuse 1:34 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Well, that’s the holy terror of religion, isn’t it: trying to force the belief on others that only their sect, denomination or cause knows the will of God and has all the answers. As for nonbelievers who don’t give a toot what others believe, that’s no skin off my nose (but I would hope they care about something).

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      • Michaeline Montezinos 6:25 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Having been the skeptic practitioner of two religions, I think that I do not need doctrines or directives on how to live my life. I believe if a person has tried and suceeded in living a life that suits her abilities and needs, then that life is to be enjoyed to the very end. What may or may not come after is not worthy of my conjecture. Actually, I think that dead is dead and there is no going forward or backward.
        What is the creator if there is one? Some people are still wondering what actually happened. My question is, does all this speculation actually make a difference in our daily lives? I have always felt a connection with others regardless of their station in life. I have tried to share whatever I had with those less fortunate. Living life to it fullest is more important to me than wondering about the philosophy behind it.

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    • mistermuse 7:55 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Philosophy admittedly isn’t everyone’s cup of poison hemlock, and far be it from me to criticize those who don’t have a taste for it….but I think it’s safe to say the world would be a much poorer place without history’s great philosophers. Though such thinking may not make a difference in most daily lives, even Jesus reportedly said, “Man does not live by bread alone” (though according to the bible, he had God, not philosophy, in mind when he said it),

      At any rate, one of the implied takeaways from my post is that “all this speculation” makes no difference whatsoever in what (if anything) happens AFTER this life. Nonetheless, for those who can’t help but think about it, I can relate (more often than not, with tongue in cheek).


    • Don Frankel 2:13 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Muse I think you’ve turned this up, down and sideways as much as anyone ever could. I just don’t think there’s any definitive answer to any abstract concept. The human mind can only do what it does and it can’t do that.


    • mistermuse 3:15 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks, Don. You’ve pretty well summed it up. Between writing this post, the last post and the comments, I feel like I’ve been working on this for six days and it’s time to rest. Conveniently enough, it’s Sunday.

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    • Sam373 11:11 am on March 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      The problem with these questions is that the created although created in the image of the creator, limits itself and thus limits that which created it, he or she.
      Consider this, life is a school where one learns what one does not know. Life as we know it may be but a moment of eternity. But what can the student learn if the student refuses to consider the possibilites.

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      • mistermuse 12:52 pm on March 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Regarding your first point, irrespective of how the created “limits itself,” I would suggest to you that the created is intrinsically limited – at least, in this life. For example, the created has a limited lifespan, limited powers and limited mental and physical capabilities….and is therefore limited in the extent to which it is “created in the image of the creator.” We can hope for an eternal afterlife in which all that is wrong is made right, but who knows?

        As for the rest, I would amend the first sentence of your second paragraph to “life is a school where one SHOULD LEARN what one does not know,” for not only do some “refuse to consider the possibilities,” but many are never granted the opportunity….such as those who die or are killed in infancy, are born with severe brain damage, or are raised brainwashed in circumstances from which they cannot escape even if they knew they were brainwashed.

        Nonetheless, I respect your thinking and appreciate your thoughts.

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        • Sam373 2:16 pm on March 23, 2015 Permalink

          The Creator is Spirit and we are in his image and likeness Will continue forever.
          That spritual part of us gives life to this flesh. This physical existence is temporary and I believe one of many classes.


    • mistermuse 3:54 pm on March 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Far be it from me to try to persuade you that what you say about “continuing forever” is only belief rather than knowledge, because I am no more convinced that it is false than I am that it is true. I only know that I do not know. That is why I am neither an atheist nor religious (unless you call being honest with oneself and believing in empathy and love “religious”).

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      • Sam373 6:26 pm on March 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Honesty is the begining of trust.

        Religion is to do anything consistantly, right?

        Belief in a one God concept is an individule’s decision; regardless of others pro &/or cons.


    • mistermuse 7:43 pm on March 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Well, I wouldn’t define religion that way unless meant in a non-religious sense; for example: I am very religious (conscientious & consistent) about responding to comments to my posts.
      As for the rest, if you’ll pardon the pun, I’m having a devil of a time imagining who could disagree.


      • Sam373 8:41 am on March 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        If i may, I have a lot of respect for you for even intertainig these conversations.

        Religion is what many, most of us do; but the creator requires relationship.

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    • mistermuse 1:10 pm on March 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      The respect is mutual, but relationship with creator seems to be anything but mutual….at least, not in any non-delusional way. Yes, many have claimed to have communicated with God – anyone can claim that, and even believed it – but God has never communicated with me, and if someone were to claim that’s because I’ve never been open to Him, I would say two things: 1. How do you know that? and 2. I was once a practicing Christian – give me a break!

      I don’t mean to be flip, but “mutual” means “mutual.” If God “requires relationship,” He knows where I am (not vice versa) – how is it not up to Him to start the relationship; not just with me, but with every human who has ever existed? We’ve been around for tens of thousands of years – what is He waiting for? How much longer do humans have to kill each other over their conflicting beliefs that God has made himself and/or His will known to them or their prophets?

      No, my friend, I’m afraid that if there is ever to be a REAL relationship, it will be in the next life – if there is a next life. And, as I suggested at the end of my post, the nature of such a relationship is problematic in more ways than one.

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    • Sam373 5:43 pm on March 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      The creator has communicated with me a number of times but not as often as I WOULD LIKE.
      too often to my requests the response as not what I wanted to hear. Nevertheless, I am persuaded.

      I am a follower of your writings.

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    • mistermuse 8:22 pm on March 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      It sounds as if I have succeeded in my intention not to be a proselytizer to my way of looking at things. I wish you the best.


    • barkinginthedark 12:58 am on August 29, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      okay…this is a question i have pondered…physicists all agree that the universe is expanding…yes? So – what is it expanding INTO? continue…

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      • mistermuse 9:26 am on August 29, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        Into the continuing great unknown. If that be a copout of an answer, so be it — a better answer is beyond my pay grade. Good question, though.


  • mistermuse 5:35 pm on March 12, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , believers, , god, , ,   



    atheists say
    makes sense.


    makes sense.



    • arekhill1 6:12 pm on March 12, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      No comment…oh, wait a second

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    • mistermuse 7:55 pm on March 12, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Some might say it’s ancient history, but I guess you said all you have to say in the bible.


    • Don Frankel 4:31 am on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      “Sometimes nothin’ can be a real cool hand.” Luke


    • mistermuse 6:15 am on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You must be referring to Matthew, Mark and John’s buddy, Cool Hand. Too bad the other three didn’t live long enough to make movies.

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    • ladysighs 7:34 am on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      🙂 ++++


    • Don Frankel 7:41 am on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You have to admit Muse that was inspired. You know we’ve discussed religion and belief over the years and I hate to get serious but I have to take a moment to thank you. I got to examine and think about this in ways I never would have if you hadn’t put your religious history and thoughts out there. Like I’ve said I didn’t get any religion growing up so it has all been a great mystery to me. But my latest insight is this and I say latest as it might change any day.

      The idea of God or a Creator exists in the brain, don’t ask me where but it’s a concept an abstract concept. Maybe its the most abstract concept we have but it is sitting there. When someone discusses what they believe they are telling you their odyssey and how much they abstract. Believers who never contemplate or question and atheists who do the same thing aren’t abstracting and they don’t have much of an odyssey.

      There is an idea in Physics called the God particle. I don’t think I could explain it very well but it’s the essence of all matter and it is something that is searched for. A holly grail maybe? But one scientist asked. How will we know if we find it as we are it?

      Whether their is a God or not is a question, an abstract concept like most abstract concepts; justice, fairness, love, honor. There is no definitive answer. No one knows. You may think whatever you want and how much you explore it and what insights you gain, is what it’s about.


    • mistermuse 9:26 am on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Don, no need to hate getting serious on my account. I welcome getting serious….in a thoughtful (as opposed to a dogmatic) way. To me, it’s not “getting serious” itself, but entrenched, doctrinaire positions that make it a turn-off. If life, and the big questions surrounding it, don’t warrant serious searching, I don’t know what does.

      I greatly appreciate what you said in your first paragraph, and as for the rest, if you don’t mind, I will take it up in a full posting (probably my next one), as there’s too much to discuss in a comment like this.


    • BroadBlogs 12:55 pm on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply


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    • mistermuse 4:22 pm on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you. There can be a fine line between being thought-provoking and preaching. If anyone says I crossed it (either here or in my follow-up post), I will of course…..blame the reader!


    • Michaeline Montezinos 5:38 pm on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I think of “God” now in abstract ways. Like Don said, the abstract concepts of justice and fairness are, in my opinion, ways to live one’s life that promote peace and goodwill.
      After watching the mindless cruelty. torture and killing by the Middle East terrorists as portrayed in the movie, AMERICAN SNIPER, I have seen true evil. To counter act that some have placed their faith in a higher power that will protect them from the evil surrounding them.

      It is the human brain that has carried this idea from the moment we rose from prehistoric man to something more civilized in thought and behavior. How evolution happened is based on science and so is the idea of the “God particle.” We, as scientists can neither prove this is true nor say it is a false concept, When it comes to supernatural beliefs we place ourselves in a position of speculation.

      To argue from a stand of logic and scientific knowledge is commendable but it is still based on human thought and belief in the end. Is there a supreme being like us watching over all that is going on the planet Earth? Perhaps, but to dwell on this and lean on this idea is basically a ignorant postion. Ignorance is not being stupid, just being unknowing. and to this end we are all unknowing.

      People believe in whatever satisfies, comforts and protects them. It is not wrong to believe someone is out there listening to our pleas and our thoughts. We all can use some faith in a power stronger than ourselves sometimes. Others are confident that they can use their skills and strengths to conquer their problems without any gods.

      There are great mysteries in our minds concerning our existence and in our tiny solar system amid the infinite universe surrounding us. Which should make us humble in our search for answers. Right now this is what I believe. But that may change as we explore the outer reaches of our Milky Way. Who knows what we may find?


    • mistermuse 10:20 pm on March 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I very much appreciate your thoughts, Michaeline. I had already promised to address Don’s comments in my next post, and will add yours to what I take into consideration in that upcoming piece. It’s a conversation to be continued.


      • Michaeline Montezinos 6:03 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        That would be fine with me, mistermuse. I do not apologize for the piece I wrote although it wa a bit lengthy. I expressed my thoughts as best as I could communicate them. Use my reply as you wish.


        • Michaeline Montezinos 6:36 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink

          I got the impression you thought I believed in a supreme, benevolent being watching over us. I don’t anymore because to do so would make me feel stupid and foolish. I don’t claim to be and atheist or an anarcrist. I just believe in myself and the amount of talent I may have. I also know my limits but I try to push them beoynd the false boundaries I may have placed before me. In any case, I have always despised being labeled or being put into a category. I guess I think I am beyond classification, dear mistermuse.


    • mistermuse 8:22 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Michaeline, last I remember, you were a committed Jewess, so I didn’t realize that is no longer the case. But in any case, whatever you believe is OK by me (as long as it’s not an antimuse). 🙂


    • Michaeline Montezinos 11:05 pm on March 14, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I am of the Reform Jewish faith, so you are correct. However, we Jews are allowed to NOT believe in a God. We are respected if we have the intelligence to question the existence of anything that is not in tune with what our knowledge shows us. I do follow the tenets of the Ten Commandments because those rules are a guidance to living a good life. I do believe in treating people and the creatures of the Earth with respect and kindness. I avoid temptation and strictly keep all my vows and promises. After all, what kind of wife, mother, aunt, and writer would I be if I was just a dumb sheep following the masses?
      Now, mistermuse, shame on you for even thinking I would be against you in any way. I admire your tenacity, your wisdom and your kind comments regarding my writing. You are the standard bearer of all I want to be and you inspire me. Please, never again question my loyalty. As I used to tell my girls when they were silly, “Don’t make me come up there. I will straighten out your behavior; you won’t like it either.” That ususally worked. Be who you are and do not change for me or anyone else.

      Smile for me, Mr. Muse because I like you very much!


    • Mélanie 5:28 am on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      another wise, witty and intelligent post… HL = huge like! ❤

      here's kinda "prayer" of a great and wise contemporary French writer:"Mon Dieu qui n'êtes personne, donnez-moi chaque jour ma chanson quotidienne, mon Dieu qui êtes un clown, je vous salue, je ne pense jamais à vous, je pense à tout le reste, c'est déjà bien assez de travail, amen.” – 🙂 my quick & ad-hoc translation:"My God, who are nobody, gimme my favourite song daily… my God, who are a clown, I greet you, I never think of you, but I do think of all the rest, it is already enough work, amen."(Christian Bobin)


    • mistermuse 6:26 am on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      No problem, Michaeline – I did smile for you at the end of my last reply, but I’ll be glad to do it again. 🙂

      As for Reformed Jews being “allowed” not to believe in a God, I can’t get over the strangeness of a monotheistic religion which regards belief in God as optional….but that’s probably because I was raised in a very dogmatic religion, Catholicism. I know there are many atheistic Jews (Woody Allen & Carl Reiner come to mind), but I don’t know any atheistic Catholics, because that would be a contradiction in terms – neither the Church nor the atheist would consider that person to be any longer a Catholic. I certainly don’t consider myself one, although I still think there’s a creator (a word I prefer to “God,” a name which smacks of an almighty ego rather than an almighty designer/artist).

      Anyway, I found a pertinent piece titled “I Don’t Believe in a God – What Should I Call Myself?” which may interest you:


      P.S. You may have taken the word “antimuse” (in my last comment) too seriously – it was strictly tongue-in-cheek, not meant to cause you consternation! 🙂


    • mistermuse 6:42 am on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Melanie, I appreciate the quote, and I appreciate you even more.

      P.S. I take it Christian (Bobin) isn’t a Christian.


      • Mélanie 4:09 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        thank you, Sir! frankly speakin’, I think he’s more a pure French “cartésien” like me(a skeptical Cartesian=a follower of Descartes), but I’m not sure…

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    • Michaeline Montezinos 1:45 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the smile, mistermuse. I did read the posting by Valerie. I recall I had read it before. She writes about labels for those who either have a strange belief in God, like soft atheists, or those who claim not to believe. Somehow all of these labels just turn me off. I think what or who a person believes is important to that person only.

      Jews do follow the teachings of Judaism by being attuned to the spiritual and wordly needs of their community. Many are are do gooders and I am proud of them. I was raised as a Catholic so I know the pressure their teachers place on believing in strict doctrine. Later I surmised that it was impossible that God could be only One and yet three persons in the Holy Trinity, that is, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. It just did not make any logical sense to me. I wasn’t going to take it on “faith” either.

      Also, I was shunned by the same Church that embraced me with all his holy sacraments. Why? Because my husband had divorced me after committing adultery with a woman who had been married. He married her as soon as she divorced her devoted husband. Somehow the community of elderly women Catholics blamed me for this great “sin.” I was the broken hearted victim not the perpertrator of this mess.

      I studied all the other great religions and thought of converting to Judaism. Luckily my new husband had been raised in that religion so I studied to be a Jew and went to temple. I was converted before our child was born two years later. I was happy then as my spiritual beliefs were similar to my new religion. However, I later grew to examine Judaism as a religion. Besides believing in One God and the Ten Copmmandments, I felt out of place. Because being Jewish is also a way of living with many rituals and practices. I had not grown up and learned this from my family. So I began a journey to seek out where my faith in the supernatural would lead me.

      Many folks say their human relationships are complicated. So it was and still is with my religious and spiritual beliefs and revelations…it’s complicated.


    • mistermuse 3:01 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Wisely said, Michaeline – labels, it seems to me, may be important to those who think they’re important (for whatever reason), but a muse by any other name would smell as sweet — even after not bathing or showering for several weeks. Though I call myself a deist, I didn’t seek to become one – it’s just a representation of where I now find myself on that thorny path labeled “spiritual journey.”


    • Michaeline Montezinos 10:41 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you for the compliment, mistermuse. It warms me Polish heart, it does.


      I have a difficulty believing I am “wise.” But the proof is in the pudding, I surmise.

      You can be called a deist, or any name you won’t resist. But never a catholist.

      Descriptive labels can be fine, but too many are a waste of time.

      If the shoe fits don’t deny its power to exist. Without it, we would limp all the time.

      We are certainly entitled now to be called something better than a cow.

      So label onward and be brave; an honest label is not a knave’s.

      I know the truth will prevail and aliases are to no avail.

      Why I wrote this ode so off the wall, must be due to the many falls,

      And the stitches that itches upon my head

      will be much calmer once I put them all to bed.


    • Michaeline Montezinos 10:49 pm on March 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I wrote this as the words were flowing fast.
      I don’t expect this silly poem to ever last.
      Yet I wrote it especially for you, I think,
      Just hoping that it dosn’t stink! (Hee! Hee!)

      From MEM or M&M, alias Mickaleen, Michelynne
      and Mickey the mightier Mouse 😉
      to mister mickey muse…


    • mistermuse 7:52 am on March 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Methinks you’ve been celebrating St. Patrick’s Day a wee bit ahead of time, me fine Mickaleen colleen. I suggest cutting back on the Irish whiskey and drinking more Irish coffee for the next day or two. 🙂


    • Michaeline Montezinos 6:15 pm on March 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Verily, you are a wise lad me muse but its not the whickey I use,
      Just the thought of me grown up up gal and her lassie pal
      That be comin to visit me on St. Paddy’s Day that makes me wanna jig!
      Happy St. Patrick’s Day to you, mistermuse, and here’s an Irish kiss,
      But dont you tell your missus miss or we all be in trouble big!


    • mistermuse 8:09 pm on March 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Speaking of not telling, I forgot to tell you I liked the two poems in your comments last night (especially the first one). Happy St. Patrick’s Day.


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  • mistermuse 2:11 pm on January 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Bruce Almighty, , god, , It's Alive!, Monty Python, Oh God!, , , The Bible   


    We should not play God before we have learned to be men, and as we learn to be men we will not want to play God. –Paul Ramsey, Christian ethicist

    • * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    According to holidayinsights.com., January 9 is PLAY GOD DAY. While not an official holiday (i.e., it’s not sanctioned by God, the President or Congress), it nonetheless should be one, as man has been playing God since emerging from the cave, if not before.

    If you’re an atheist, you may well ask how man can play what doesn’t exist. Friends, if you think about it, it’s done all the time. In olden days B.F. (Before Film), a man could only play the Almighty in his own time, but since then, God-playing has not been confined to tyrants, despots, politicians and overlords. The invention of motion pictures has been a godsend to a man playing God even after the man is gone. God is not dead — like Frankenstein’s monster, it’s his own creation….and IT’S ALIVE! To wit:

    Here is a list of films (including the actor/God)  in which man has played God. I do not proclaim it a complete list, nor have I seen but a few of the of the films on the list. What do you want for nothing? Remember, this is PLAY GOD DAY, so take it or leave it. I doubt God Itself ever made a better offer.

    THE GREEN PASTURES (1936), Rex Ingram
    THE BIBLE (1966), John Huston
    SKIDOO (1968), Groucho Marx
    MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL (1975), Graham Chapman
    OH, GOD! (1977), George Burns (plus two sequels: Oh, God! Book II, and Oh, God! You Devil)
    TIME BANDITS (1981), Ralph Richardson
    TWO OF A KIND (1983), Gene Hackman
    NIGHT TRAIN TO TERROR (1985), Ferdy Mayne
    RELIGION, INC. (1989), George Plimpton
    ALMOST AN ANGEL (1990), Charlton Heston
    THE PRINCE OF EGYPT (1997), Val Kilmer
    THE ACID HOUSE (1998), Maurice Roeves
    DOGMA (1999), Alanis Morrissette (the first actress to play God?)
    BRUCE ALMIGHTY (2003), Morgan Freeman
    SUPER (2010), Rob Zombie

    • ladysighs 7:26 am on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Save me a place at the table. 🙂

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    • Don Frankel 7:54 am on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      So as not to be sexist Muse.

      I guess we could say love is more wonderful the second time around.

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    • mistermuse 7:59 am on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Ladysighs, we all have a place at the “end table,” so I don’t need to save you one. Beyond that, you’re on your own (apologies for the dark humor so early in the day)!


    • mistermuse 8:14 am on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Love it, Don! Movie critics like Leonhard Maltin say “Bride” is one of the few sequels in movie history which is even better than the original, and the original was pretty damn good. This was great “camp” before the word “camp” became part of movie lexicon.


    • arekhill1 11:31 am on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I think a “Play Satan” list would be an interesting project for you, Sr. Muse. My personal favorite, for obvious reasons, is Elizabeth Hurley.


    • mistermuse 4:39 pm on January 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I’d “barely” heard of Elizabeth Hurley until you mentioned (and I Googled) her, Ricardo. It seems I’ve been missing a lot by not keeping abreast of things, celebrity-wise, in recent years….but I’m not Bedazzled enough to undertake another such project. I have too many books to read, too many football games to watch, too many naps to take, etc., etc., etc.


    • Don Frankel 7:42 am on January 12, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You know even with all the stitches, the smock she’s wearing and the bad hairdo, she’s kind of hot.


    • mistermuse 10:38 am on January 12, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I agree, Don. Bride was played by Elsa Lanchester, who was married in real life to actor Charles Laughton. Those who remember her only from much later films such as MARY POPPINS and MURDER BY DEATH would probably be amazed to learn it’s the same woman.


    • blindzanygirl 2:07 am on July 31, 2020 Permalink | Reply

      I’ll have to watch those movies! Interesting!

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    • mistermuse 8:43 am on July 31, 2020 Permalink | Reply

      There are several good films on that list, but you’ll probably go to heaven before getting around to watching them all, Lorraine (and some of them probably aren’t worth the trouble). 😉


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